Monday, April 21, 2008

Signet, Signit and Smart Bitches


S. Maria Maddalena,
Perugino,
Galleria Pitti, Florence.

Some of you may remember SavageGate and the extensive examples of plagiarism by popular author Cassie Edwards -- said plagiarism accidentally unearthed by Smart Bitches (with the help of a league of black-footed ferrets.)

Along with the sun this weekend, I beamed in delight to read that one of her main publishers, Signet (Penguin), citing "irreconcilable editorial differences" ( a most tasteful description, in my opinion) has reverted all rights to her novels to Ms. Edwards and stated her books will no longer be published by them.

No doubt an expensive decision by Signet, but a reassuringly ethical resolution. I commend them highly for it.

At the time, as always, and presently -- during message board discussions on such controversial topics -- readers were treated to examples of rabid fannery, assorted sock-puppetry, and trolleri drolleri.

Immediately recognizable by the following characteristics:

1. allegations of jealousy -- including, apparently and comprehensively, Nora Roberts and numerous other best-selling authors.

2. legal threats - typified by ignorance of the difference between libel and slander. ("Wiccan curses" may provide a variation of this theme.)

3. "witch hunt" metaphors.

4. "mean girls" accusations -- the subject should be excused and/or are justified by reason of infirmity, age, ethnic origin, hang nails, etc.

5. pious platitude reminders: nobodys's-perfect-so-shut-your-mouths, glass houses/stones, goes-around-comes-around.


Jason of Clarity of Night has asked me to announce he has opened another blog, Night Conversations, as a form of Post Secret.

Jeff Neal posted an announcement which also made me beam like the sun this weekend.

A reminder that the Pay It Forward contest is still open. See my April 11 post and enter.

And I have a question: My heroine's name could be rendered as Lily, Lilly, or Lillie ( the one in present use.) Which spelling do you prefer to fit her character?




45 comments:

writtenwyrdd said...

If an editor at a publishing house requests the change, well then change the spelling. Otherwise, it doesn't matter, really. Readers will adjust to whichever spelling variation you use.

For my own preference, I like Lilly; but you get to pick.

Bernita said...

Am leaning more towards Lilly myself, Written.

December/Stacia said...

I like Lily best, myself, but as Written said, it doesn't matter. It never occurred to me, seeing it spelled "Lillie", to wish it was spelled differently or even notice the spelling, really.

Bernita said...

"It never occurred to me, seeing it spelled "Lillie", to wish it was spelled differently" - that's comforting, December.

BernardL said...

I read Stone Child in Weirdly, and the spelling never registered with me as notable.

I followed some of the silly and strange Internet Troll fights, as on Dear Author. The solution of simply not going to an offensive site never seems to be an acceptable course of action. Pretty soon, we'll need a new reality show 'When Sock Puppets Attack'. :)

Amy Lavender Harris said...

For me, definitely Lillie. "Lily", while beautiful, doesn't capture the strength of Lillie's character, and Lilli is too evocative of "Lillian" -- a name that strikes me as too matronly for Lillie.

StarvingWriteNow said...

Okay, so Signet won't publish any more of her books, and good for them, but was there no one on staff at Signet--like, say, her EDITOR-- who actually READ the books before they went to print and said, "Hmm... wonder if there should be footnotes here..."? Did her editor get the boot for being a schmuck?

I know, rant on, rant on...

PS: Loved your Friday "snippet"!

Bernita said...

"When Sock Puppets Attack" - hee, Bernard!
They seem incapable, largely, of contributing anything substantive to the discourse.

She is definitely not a Lillian, Amy!

The internet has made catching this sort of thing much easier, Starving.Her editors may have though it was her standard style and also may have trusted that she was abiding by her contract assertion that the work was wholly her own.

Thank you. Glad you liked it.

Robyn said...

I like Lillie. I don't know why the 'ie' seems stronger than the 'y' but it does. Sort of like the difference between Mary and Merry.

Sock Puppets Unite would be a great name for a blog.

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I like Lillie, because it indicates it's a nickname. I'm not sure why this seems to suit her in my mind, but it does.

Gabriele C. said...

I read about the Signet decision. Blogs have power these days.

I like Lillie best. To my non-native eye it looks most exotic, and she's not your average girl for sure. ;)

Bernita said...

(Now, Robyn, SS and Gabriele have me wondering if I had an unnatural attack of KISS and don't need to change it.)

Would, wouldn't it, Robyn!

Suits her? Good to hear, SS.

"Almost exotic" is most satisfactory, Gabriele.A little but not too much.

Charles Gramlich said...

I definitely like Lillie best. Lily just wouldn't do for me. But Lilly is good.

writtenwyrdd said...

You do not need to change her name. Really. Now go worry about something important, lol!

Bernita said...

Good, Charles.

Written, character's names ARE important - especially to Lillie.

Dave F. said...

Lily, Lilly, or Lillie
Prefer? None of the above for a first read, but now that I've seen her name as Lillie, it's the one I prefer. There's a subtle difference that makes her a "Lillie" now.

As for SavageGate, Pengiun and Cassie Edwards - - the legal rats (lawyers) are leaving her ship of books in case of legal troubles. I can't blame them. No publishing house wants that "stuff" on their doorstep.

There really is not much anyone can do when plagiarism is found other than point it out and let the perpetrator suffer the consequences. Schadenfreude in all its forms is basically undignified.

raine said...

I seem to prefer "Lillie".
But that may be because I'm accustomed to it. Choose whatever works for you, Bernita.

Scott from Oregon said...

You forgot Lil' E which, if you dressed her up like Daisy Duke, I would go for...

Lisa said...

I think I like Lilly best. I think it's because I know roughly how old I think she is and that makes me think "Lilly". The "Lillie" version makes me think much younger than I believe the character to be.

Bernita said...

Yes,it seems she's become identified by that spelling, Dave.

"Schadenfreude in all its forms is basically undignified."
I don't regard it as schadenfreude to be pleased that a degree of justice has been administered, an ethic reiterated, and theft not condoned in the interests of the bottom line.
If my attitude is undignified, then I'm happy to be uncouth.

Interesting how that works, Raine.

Alas, Scott, she's obviously not your type.

Lilly, perhaps does have a visual appeal,Lisa.
Am curious - how "old" do you see her as being?

Dave F. said...

Sorry, that Schadenfreude comment came out all wrong.
I don't regard it as schadenfreude to be pleased that a degree of justice has been administered, an ethic reiterated, and theft not condoned in the interests of the bottom line...

That's not Schadenfreude. That could never be Schadenfreude. Some of the behavior I saw went well beyond that statement. When we found plagiarism in the scientific field, we assumed that everything the author wrote was stained. If we used or cited their research, we would find the sources that were plagiarized and eliminate any reference to the plagiarist. If we couldn't eliminate the plagiarist, then we would include a note of the plagiarism in the citation to separate it from the original research. Some journals even published "erata" announcing the plagiarism just not to propagate it.

Now some of what I read on the other blogs regarding Cassie Edwards went beyond that. And, I think that the best description for that behavior was "joy in the tragedy or faults of another." In some cases, it was downright gleeful rejoicing comparable to an Easter Morning Resurrection.

Your position is half a galaxy away from that. And I share your position.

Dave F. said...

Lily, Lilly, or Lillie

Sigh - IMO:
Lily is a frail, pale whimsical soul with a flighty sense of humor.
Lilly is a stunningly beautiful French cabaret singer with a sultry voice.
Lillie is a robust woman of purpose, virtue and resolve.

Subtleties of names.

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I thunk some more on this. Does she like her name? Is she named after someone? Does she think it suits her? For instance, my connotation with my own name is not very favorable, but other people think it's fine. (I honestly would have changed it but my mother honestly would have killed me.)

I suppose I was thinking maybe her name is really Lillianna or something and she shortened it to Lillie to not sound so...wimpy, maybe. Or maybe she was named for a grandmother who went by the full version and while they still were alive she was called Lillie to differentiate? In my family, we have Granny and Grannie, alternating generations so we know who we're talking about, at least in writing.

Girl names are hard. I had a hell of a time naming my daughter. We settled on family names: Grace Ann. She's Gracie now, but when she grows up I bet she'll be Grace. I wanted a name to carry her into adulthood.

Ok, enough treatise on names...

Bernita said...

Thank you, Dave, for the clarification.I am glad we agree.

"Robust", oh dearie me!

Ah, SS, I too have often wondered what posessed my mother.
Fortunately my children are pleased with their own first names. We saved the unusual for their middle names, so they could choose if they didn't care for their first names when they grew up.

Jeff said...

I'm fond of Lilly, but that's simply my personal preference. She's an intriguing character, and I'm looking forward to reading more about her no matter how you spell her name.

It appears Signet chose ethics over dollars in this situation. Good for them.

Thanks for mentioning the news I have posted on my blog. I'm really excited about it!

Bernita said...

Especially glad "Ernie" will be published, Jeff!

spyscribbler said...

She's not girly enough for Lily or Lilly. :-) Just my two cents.

I think Lillie is PERFECT! I've become quite a fan of her, actually.

Ello said...

I love Lillie or Lilly, over Lily.

Bernita said...

You're right, Natasha, Lillie is not girly.

Looks like the majority agree with you, Ello!

Lisa said...

Oh boy, I hope I don't get myself into trouble now. I remember when I read the story in WEIRDLY that she wore her hair in a bun and it was silver, although it seemed to be prematurely silver. She also seemed to be sophisticated and quite experienced. That makes me guess she could be anywhere from mid to late 30s through mid to late 40s. Now, I could be accused of not reading closely enough or recently enough, but that's how I see her.

Bernita said...

No, no, NO, Lisa, no one is going to accuse you of anything! Thank you!

I planned her to be 30ish.

Chumplet said...

I like the Lily with one L. My sweet neighbour lady is named Lilian.

Bernita said...

Sandra, I think all versions are pretty names.

Sam said...

Lily is the form I prefer - but it's a matter of opinion. Choose the one you like best!

Carla said...

I've grown accustomed to Lillie, and quite liked the unusual spelling, but the choice is yours; I daresay I'd have accepted Lily or Lilly equally well if I'd first met her with one of those names.

Bernita said...

Sam, I think I discarded Lily initially because I use the plant itself in the story and didn't want to create visual confusion. Now of course, I'm having second thoughts.

"I've grown accustomed to Lillie..."
So it's probably not a good idea for me to change horses mis-stream, Carla.

Demon Hunter said...

I have a character named Lilly, so...I like that variation the best---not sure why, I just do. :*)

Billy said...

Bravo to signet for taking a stand despite monetary concerns. There's hope for mankind yet.

Lily seems to be the most common form in use, but Lillie stands out precisely because of said usage.

jason evans said...

Thank you for the mention, Bernita!

I'm casting my vote for "Lillie" also. I like Celtic feel of it.

Sarah Hina said...

I haven't been commenting lately, Bernita, but I've been enjoying your blog. :)

And I vote for Lillie, too.

Bernita said...

Dear Demon, if you have a character spelled Lilly, then it's best I stay with my spelling of Lillie.

Indeed, Billie! Most encouraging to see Signet respond as it has.

If Lillie does have a Celtic feel, that's good, Jason, because of the Celtic thread in the story.

Thank you Sarah-of-the-lovely-voice. You are welcome to comment or not as you wish.I'm just glad that you visit.

Travis Erwin said...

I like Lily the best with Lilly second.

Jon M said...

Blimey! well if wiccan curses are being hurled about willynilly then maybe a witchhunt is what is needed!
Lillie is the one for me! (hope my wife doesn't look over my shoulder now!)

Bernita said...

I like them all, Travis!

"well if wiccan curses are being hurled about willynilly then maybe a witchhunt is what is needed!"
Jon, that's a great line!

Shauna Roberts said...

I'm late to the discussion and perhaps it's already over, but I also like "Lillie" best.