Saturday, June 24, 2006

Porn...


Wait... there's an explanation.
While cruising through my stats this week, checking out the drive-bys, noticed a far-away website had visited.
Curious, I clicked on.
It was a porn site.
Naturally, I spent sometime there.
A gift of opportunity.
I examined every image carefully.
There's a lot I don't know, you see.
The downside of a virtuous life, I suppose.
Thought I might learn something.
Something...useful.
Research for any erotic scene I might write.
Forget it.
Not only were the images blah, the scenes were...ordinary.
Ho-hum.
The only thing that shocked me was the clear evidence of insect bites on a couple of performers.
And the only thing I established was I am not a voyeur.
The full colour shots of manly bits, erectus flagrante, and active nekkid people did not turn me on. Didn't even elevate my eyebrows.
Words, now - descriptions - can and do.
Providing I'm not laughing too hard over "swords of love" or some such.
Have no reason to think I'm strange or lacking in the normal sexual response department.
Made me wonder if this is a gender thing.
Apparently there have been various studies that seem to confirm that guys like pictures, but women like words.
If so, what a shock to those guys one reads about, who send full frontal pictures of themselves to various women.
Wrong POV, bozo. We might yawn.
May explain in part the literary difference between porn and erotica too.
And why, it is claimed, that male writers/readers tend to skim/skip over sensual scenes.
Sex - or rather desire - is largely in the mind, they say.
Does the alleged gender difference have to do with hard-wired type of imagination?
Do men need the picture, a physical presence, to jump-start their imagination?
Do women prefer the words to create the individual picture?
Are women more apt to moon over, be seduced by, a letter; but men by a photograph?
Graphic vs. suggestion?
Interesting to examine motivations for scene creation.
Also for covers.
What are your thoughts?

28 comments:

ali said...

You do get porn/erotica written for men though. At least, that's what I assume those books with pictures of half-naked women on are. I wonder if there are any differences in writing style - like, erotica written for men talking a lot about the visuals, whereas for women concentrating more on feelings?

Someone more knowledgable about these things might know :).

Bernita said...

Don't know either, Ali.

Dennie McDonald said...

holy smokes - never read anyhitng written directly for men... hmmm.. good question

Bernita said...

Nor I, Dennie.
Have read many thrillers/adventure written mainly for men and noticed that sex - while occuring - had short shrift.
Made me wonder about the ramifications ( don't say that word out loud.)
Maybe the porn sites/mags attraction depends on this gender preference - rather than on the idea that men are cretins who can't read.

S. W. Vaughn said...

Heh. Heh. Nekkid.

Heh.

IMO, men want action -- if things aren't happening, they skim. Groaning and hard breathing and taking off clothes (all that foreplay stuff) they don't bother reading. Get down to the sex. That's why the sex scenes in books written with men in mind are just a few paragraphs that say "hey, they're having sex, see?"

My series appeals to men, or so they say. I didn't necessarily write with men in mind. I have one glossed over sex scene in the first book that takes about two sentences. :-)

I do agree that men seem to be visually oriented, where women need the detail that is supposed to go along with it -- the whys of sex, rather than the hows.

Savannah Jordan said...

I think it has to do with intimacy. Words are initmate, seductive, pictures are simple and rather forward.

As to being written by men, or for men, I can't comment -- haven't read a thing. Actually, though I write erotica, or romantica, I haven't really read any. Other than my sibling authors'.

Bernita said...

Good comments, SW and Savannah.
Thank you.

Flood said...

OK. I am blushing as I write this.

I certainly don't surf porn, but I can appreciate sex scenes written to keep a man's interest as well as the softer fill-in-the-blanks kind of effort made for women.

Basically, I am admitting that I like both graphic and suggestive work.

James Goodman said...

IMO, men want action -- if things aren't happening, they skim.

Guilty as charged. If a story feels like it's bogging down, I'll either toss it, or if they managed to capture my interest before the big bog, I'll skim until it picks back up.

pornstudent said...

My dad had a porn book written for men. It was a little paperback book with only a couple of black and white pictures of a naked lady in it. This was about in 1970.

Women buy 68% of all books. 55% of fiction is bought by women; 45% by men. http://www.parapublishing.com/sites/para/resources/statistics.cfm

Interesting article about different reading habits between men and women at http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_binks/20040419.html

Bernita said...

Don't know why you should blush, Flood.
I take it you like both romantica and erotica, but don't go for pictures - except those in your mind.

A neat evade, James.
Do you consider sex scenes as "bogging down" the action?

Good links, porn.
Thank you.

James Goodman said...

honestly, it depends on how they're written and how they pertain to the story. I'm no prude, but if I'm looking for explicit sex, I turn to porn. If i'm reading action, adventure, horror, etc. I don't need a play by play.

Ric said...

Morning all,
IMHO, men like sex scenes that play into their individual fantasies. The editor I had proof one of my novels had no problem with most of the sex scenes UNTIL he hit one that triggered a big response (I DON'T LIKE THIS, YOU SHOULD TAKE IT OUT!!!!) I thought it worked to develop the character, but I did tone it down.
Thought it odd that one scene would cause such a negative reaction.
There are some things I will toss. Apparently, unlike most men, I simply hate lesbian sex. No interest at all - in fact, is a big turnoff.

Bernita said...

Good answer, James.
Thank you for expanding.
For you then, it depends on the genre.

Ric, it would be interesting to know just why the editor freaked on that particular scene.
We do expect editors and agents to be objective, but they may not be quite as disassociated as we believe.

kmfrontain said...

LOL. This is a funny coincidence, Bernita. Yesterday I purchased my first ever porn video. I've seen regular porn on TV (hard porn, not the softer variety), and it's repeititive and ultimately boring. So why'd I buy a video. Because it was gay porn. Wanted to see if it was different. Well, yeah... Two or more men, not men and women, or man-woman-woman, as if often the case. I'm writing up my review of it on my Livejournal blog now. It isn't a thumbs up. (I wasn't punning.)

And I'm like James, a skimmer when it comes to reading, but not because of boringly done erotic scenes. Mostly I skim boringly done introspection. There's often too much of it in novels.

Ric said...

It was just a sex scene - and there were lots of them - but this one really hit a nerve. I assumed it was a personal reaction and did not feel compelled to pursue it by asking.

Sometimes we all react viscerally to words on the page. Not sure where that comes from, but we all do it.

Bernita said...

You're probably right then, Ric. Personal, not general.

I didn't mention video, KM, because I assume my reaction would be much the same as to the stills on that site, but it is another form.
What I found curious was the shaving styles...
I'll be sure to read your review!
Find that I skim when the plot is exciting and I'm dying to know what happens next - but then I do go back and read properly.
On a later re-read of a good book I'll often skim the description and introspection for the action.

kmfrontain said...

Well, I finished it. It's not an example of brilliant writing on my part, just blunt 'I didn't much care for it', and not because it was gay. Overall, it was as disappointing as het porn. My link for my Livejournal site, for those of you willing to read my review of this video, is on my Blogger sidebar.

Rick said...

Yes - for which reason writing sex scenes is a pain. Really, I'd much rather have naughty pictures. ;)

Bernita said...

"The $40 cure..."KM.
No, porn is not for me either.

You must suffer for your art, they tell us, Rick.

kmfrontain said...

Yeah, naughty pictures, done with eroticism or romanticism in mind, are hot. I have to agree with that. But straight porn pictures -- not really, not without an artistic merit to it.

M.E Ellis said...

There are some things I will toss

Sorry, mind in the gutter for a minute there...

Never thought about this before, Bernita. Thanks for blogging about it. I love thinking about new things!

I wouldn't choose to read erotica, though I have done for purposes of writing my first erotica novel (found I laughed with each sex scene like a small child, every time I wrote 'cock') and have read some that were for reviewing/proofing purposes. It took a while to get used to reading such a different 'thing' as I'm more your thriller/horror reader.

I confess to skimming sex scenes when reading for leisure. Prefer the story proper, if I'm honest.

Thanks for the think!

:O)

Bernita said...

Makes me wonder what it made you "think" about, ME....

M.E Ellis said...

LOL

It wasn't rude. I was just thinking about the mind set differences. I'm into 'in the mind' stuff. The human brain fascinates me.

:o)

Bernita said...

Just teasing you, Girl!
Yes, the different mind-sets are fascinating.

Dakota Knight said...

Bernita,

I'm just hoping what you saw were really just insect bites! :-)

Bernita said...

Found them the most icky of all, Dakota.

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